Motorcycle stopping - JUOT

Alan James Watson · Sun 04/15/2012, 12:45 AM

... is it better with disks or drums?

abqtj · Sun 04/15/2012, 12:46 AM

I want nothing to do with drum brakes

Alan James Watson · Sun 04/15/2012, 12:51 AM

The 350 cc "Bullet" by Royal Enfield still has drum brakes.

themonk · Sun 04/15/2012, 12:06 PM

It's made to be inexpensive so it markets well in less affluent areas. Drums, particularly mechanical ones, are simpler and more easily repaired by a guy under a tree.

tink · Sun 04/15/2012, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by themonk

It's made to be inexpensive so it markets well in less affluent areas. Drums, particularly mechanical ones, are simpler and more easily repaired by a guy under a tree.

this is true but Drums on their own bring the suck. my pan when I first built it had just a mech rear drum, didnt take long to add duel disc up front.

themonk · Sun 04/15/2012, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by tink

this is true but Drums on their own bring the suck. my pan when I first built it had just a mech rear drum, didnt take long to add duel disc up front.

Drums alone do suck. This is why pretty much anybody who hops up an older car converts them to discs as well. It is why I've idly contemplated putting discs on the rear of my XJunk, though not that seriously.

miwico · Sun 04/15/2012, 01:14 PM

I think you will be fine with either one.

stig · Sun 04/15/2012, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by themonk

Drums alone do suck. This is why pretty much anybody who hops up an older car converts them to discs as well. It is why I've idly contemplated putting discs on the rear of my XJunk, though not that seriously.

The only vehicle that I've owned with rear drums that had good brakes was my '08 Silverado. You would have never guessed that it had rear drums.

I don't know much about motorcycles, but I've never seen on with drum brakes. Even my MTB has hydraulic disk brakes.

tink · Sun 04/15/2012, 06:53 PM

many modern cruiser style bikes have rear drums. Harley aint one of them.

tink · Sun 04/15/2012, 06:55 PM

75% of stopping on a bike is generated by the front brakes, rear drums aren't that big of a deal usually.

stig · Sun 04/15/2012, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by tink

many modern cruiser style bikes have rear drums. Harley aint one of them.

I don't like those kind of bikes so that explains it. I would like a BMW touring bike though.

Originally Posted by tink

75% of stopping on a bike is generated by the front brakes, rear drums aren't that big of a deal usually.

Yeah, I figured that out years ago when downhill MTBing.

themonk · Sun 04/15/2012, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by tink

75% of stopping on a bike is generated by the front brakes, rear drums aren't that big of a deal usually.

This is also why I've seen cars need new front brakes at 30-50k miles while the rears last to almost 100k.

OTOH, when my fronts are worn out on my WRX, the rears are about there also.

tink · Sun 04/15/2012, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by themonk

This is also why I've seen cars need new front brakes at 30-50k miles while the rears last to almost 100k.

OTOH, when my fronts are worn out on my WRX, the rears are about there also.

the awd and perhaps traction control play a part in that?

stig · Sun 04/15/2012, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by themonk

This is also why I've seen cars need new front brakes at 30-50k miles while the rears last to almost 100k.

OTOH, when my fronts are worn out on my WRX, the rears are about there also.

Cars used to be like that, but modern TC, stability control, and ABLS systems limit that. Especially, on trucks, SUVs, and performance vehicles. On my Xterra (~45k miles), my rear brakes are more worn than my fronts. A lot of that is attributed to my driving style.

abqtj · Sun 04/15/2012, 07:11 PM

stop riding your brakes

stig · Sun 04/15/2012, 07:41 PM

Me? I don't ride my brakes. Its from the ABLS system working on and offroad.

themonk · Sun 04/15/2012, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by tink

the awd and perhaps traction control play a part in that?

My car's "traction control" is a good old fashioned limited slip in the back. AWD only has an effect on propulsion unless you consider compression braking which doesn't use the real brakes. With the differential action in the middle, any effect by the AWD on my brake life would be eliminated unlike perhaps in the XJunk which has no center diff.

wct097 · Sun 04/15/2012, 09:26 PM

Discs > Drums

themonk · Sun 04/15/2012, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by wct097

Discs > Drums

Well no shit.

Sun 04/15/2012, 12:45 AM	#1
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themonk I didn't fawk you Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 43,355 Gameroom cash: $307220 Liked 1,999 Times in 1,412 Posts Like/STFU Ratio: 49.98 : 1	Originally Posted by tink this is true but Drums on their own bring the suck. my pan when I first built it had just a mech rear drum, didnt take long to add duel disc up front. Drums alone do suck. This is why pretty much anybody who hops up an older car converts them to discs as well. It is why I've idly contemplated putting discs on the rear of my XJunk, though not that seriously.

Sun 04/15/2012, 06:51 PM	#8
stig Transplant Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 31,041 Gameroom cash: $300504 Liked 853 Times in 656 Posts Like/STFU Ratio: 3.28 : 1	Originally Posted by themonk Drums alone do suck. This is why pretty much anybody who hops up an older car converts them to discs as well. It is why I've idly contemplated putting discs on the rear of my XJunk, though not that seriously. The only vehicle that I've owned with rear drums that had good brakes was my '08 Silverado. You would have never guessed that it had rear drums. I don't know much about motorcycles, but I've never seen on with drum brakes. Even my MTB has hydraulic disk brakes.

Sun 04/15/2012, 06:53 PM	#9
tink My Fawking leg hurts Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Flintstone Ga. Posts: 12,431 Gameroom cash: $129815 Liked 1,130 Times in 644 Posts Like/STFU Ratio: 94.17 : 1	many modern cruiser style bikes have rear drums. Harley aint one of them.

Sun 04/15/2012, 06:55 PM	#10
tink My Fawking leg hurts Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Flintstone Ga. Posts: 12,431 Gameroom cash: $129815 Liked 1,130 Times in 644 Posts Like/STFU Ratio: 94.17 : 1	75% of stopping on a bike is generated by the front brakes, rear drums aren't that big of a deal usually.

Sun 04/15/2012, 06:56 PM	#11
stig Transplant Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 31,041 Gameroom cash: $300504 Liked 853 Times in 656 Posts Like/STFU Ratio: 3.28 : 1	Originally Posted by tink many modern cruiser style bikes have rear drums. Harley aint one of them. I don't like those kind of bikes so that explains it. I would like a BMW touring bike though. Originally Posted by tink 75% of stopping on a bike is generated by the front brakes, rear drums aren't that big of a deal usually. Yeah, I figured that out years ago when downhill MTBing.

Sun 04/15/2012, 06:59 PM	#12
themonk I didn't fawk you Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 43,355 Gameroom cash: $307220 Liked 1,999 Times in 1,412 Posts Like/STFU Ratio: 49.98 : 1	Originally Posted by tink 75% of stopping on a bike is generated by the front brakes, rear drums aren't that big of a deal usually. This is also why I've seen cars need new front brakes at 30-50k miles while the rears last to almost 100k. OTOH, when my fronts are worn out on my WRX, the rears are about there also.

Sun 04/15/2012, 07:01 PM	#13
tink My Fawking leg hurts Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Flintstone Ga. Posts: 12,431 Gameroom cash: $129815 Liked 1,130 Times in 644 Posts Like/STFU Ratio: 94.17 : 1	Originally Posted by themonk This is also why I've seen cars need new front brakes at 30-50k miles while the rears last to almost 100k. OTOH, when my fronts are worn out on my WRX, the rears are about there also. the awd and perhaps traction control play a part in that?

Sun 04/15/2012, 07:03 PM	#14
stig Transplant Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 31,041 Gameroom cash: $300504 Liked 853 Times in 656 Posts Like/STFU Ratio: 3.28 : 1	Originally Posted by themonk This is also why I've seen cars need new front brakes at 30-50k miles while the rears last to almost 100k. OTOH, when my fronts are worn out on my WRX, the rears are about there also. Cars used to be like that, but modern TC, stability control, and ABLS systems limit that. Especially, on trucks, SUVs, and performance vehicles. On my Xterra (~45k miles), my rear brakes are more worn than my fronts. A lot of that is attributed to my driving style.

Sun 04/15/2012, 07:11 PM	#15
abqtj Burke's Dead Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 30,412 Gameroom cash: $489919 Liked 2,142 Times in 1,414 Posts Like/STFU Ratio: 69.1 : 1	stop riding your brakes

Sun 04/15/2012, 07:41 PM	#16
stig Transplant Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 31,041 Gameroom cash: $300504 Liked 853 Times in 656 Posts Like/STFU Ratio: 3.28 : 1	Me? I don't ride my brakes. Its from the ABLS system working on and offroad.