John Oliver’s scathing take on Ferguson

[pirranah]

Based on the black and white people that I know who are representative of lower socioeconomic classes, it has nothing to do with racism and everything to do with the culture that is common in areas full of low class people.I n my experience, these types of people actually like to get worked up about something and they typically are incapable of applying logic and reason when emotions are high.

Simply put, those that are in the lower socio-economic class predominantly exhibit tendencies to get worked up over rumors and fabrications that people in higher socio-economic classes view as ridiculous. These people are easily influenced by the media and anyone that works to stir things up.

Please note that I'm not referring to poor people or black people when I refer to a lower socioeconomic class. The lower socioeconomic class, as I define it, is really a combination of poverty, culture, lack of education, and environment. Nature vs nurture.

SHUT YOUR ****ING MOUTH

 

[TacticalFats]

Do you think the black community rioting cares about scientific proof or do they care about what they know because they see it / live it?

I think it's a mob mentality to destroy your neighbor's shit and attempt to assault complete strangers who have not caused you harm who are merely there to keep you from destroying the entire town. Unfortunately this prehistoric savage mentality still exists in some communities.

Do you also believe that racism is not an issue in police forces in 2014?

Here's a very simple break down: I started in 1994, in New Jersey, and was by far the most aggressive guy in my small, 10 man department with locking up bad guys on car and pedestrian stops. In 1998, the NJSP shot up that van which started the whole RACIAL PROFILING OMFG drama, so every single cop who stood out was now a racist by default.

I can honestly say me, and the guys I ran with (and still do) didn't stop blacks/greens/whatevers because they were blacks/greens/whatevers.

Why? Because it doesn't work. If I were stopped 100 blacks, I'd arrest 5. If I arrested 100 whites, 5 arrests.

Now, if I sat there and stopped a shitbox 15 year old Honda driven by a dirty looking dude in his 30s who's wearing a hoodie in August and has a cracked windshield, I'm gonna stop him. He's probably got heroin on him.

I'm behind a broke dick beat up work van with a brake light out registered to a woman driven by a guy, he's gonna get stopped. His license is probably suspended and he's probably got warrants.

There's subtleties tied to each thing I mentioned, i.e. behavior which deviates from 90% of the motorists out there. Am I going to go up there and start night sticking them? No. Are they getting cheesey ass tickets for those violations if it turns out they're just poor? No.

Stopping people based on race doesn't work. I'm not interested in oppressing minorities. I'm interesting in hunting bad guys. And picking people based on BEHAVIOR was very effective; if I was looking and it was a good night, I was one, maybe two stops before someone was in my car. Guns, drugs, thieves, fugitives...good stuff. Not dime bag and a bowl stuff.

So to answer your question, today, in 2014, in MY environment, the only racism that is an issue in my department is the bullshit complaints by people that are arrested and instead of taking responsibility that they did something wrong, accuse a complete stranger of discrimination.

If one of our guys started saying and doing things to indicate he was a racist, he'd be ostracized nearly immediately, and probably shitcanned sooner than later.

 

[TacticalFats]

Based on the black and white people that I know who are representative of lower socioeconomic classes, it has nothing to do with racism and everything to do with the culture that is common in areas full of low class people.I n my experience, these types of people actually like to get worked up about something and they typically are incapable of applying logic and reason when emotions are high.

Simply put, those that are in the lower socio-economic class predominantly exhibit tendencies to get worked up over rumors and fabrications that people in higher socio-economic classes view as ridiculous. These people are easily influenced by the media and anyone that works to stir things up.

Please note that I'm not referring to poor people or black people when I refer to a lower socioeconomic class. The lower socioeconomic class, as I define it, is really a combination of poverty, culture, lack of education, and environment. Nature vs nurture.

Mother****ing this.

Culture plays an enormous role.

 

[BirdOPrey5]

I think it's a mob mentality to destroy your neighbor's shit and attempt to assault complete strangers who have not caused you harm who are merely there to keep you from destroying the entire town. Unfortunately this prehistoric savage mentality still exists in some communities.




Here's a very simple break down: I started in 1994, in New Jersey, and was by far the most aggressive guy in my small, 10 man department with locking up bad guys on car and pedestrian stops. In 1998, the NJSP shot up that van which started the whole RACIAL PROFILING OMFG drama, so every single cop who stood out was now a racist by default.

I can honestly say me, and the guys I ran with (and still do) didn't stop blacks/greens/whatevers because they were blacks/greens/whatevers.

Why? Because it doesn't work. If I were stopped 100 blacks, I'd arrest 5. If I arrested 100 whites, 5 arrests.

Now, if I sat there and stopped a shitbox 15 year old Honda driven by a dirty looking dude in his 30s who's wearing a hoodie in August and has a cracked windshield, I'm gonna stop him. He's probably got heroin on him.

I'm behind a broke dick beat up work van with a brake light out registered to a woman driven by a guy, he's gonna get stopped. His license is probably suspended and he's probably got warrants.

There's subtleties tied to each thing I mentioned, i.e. behavior which deviates from 90% of the motorists out there. Am I going to go up there and start night sticking them? No. Are they getting cheesey ass tickets for those violations if it turns out they're just poor? No.

Stopping people based on race doesn't work. I'm not interested in oppressing minorities. I'm interesting in hunting bad guys. And picking people based on BEHAVIOR was very effective; if I was looking and it was a good night, I was one, maybe two stops before someone was in my car. Guns, drugs, thieves, fugitives...good stuff. Not dime bag and a bowl stuff.

So to answer your question, today, in 2014, in MY environment, the only racism that is an issue in my department is the bullshit complaints by people that are arrested and instead of taking responsibility that they did something wrong, accuse a complete stranger of discrimination.

If one of our guys started saying and doing things to indicate he was a racist, he'd be ostracized nearly immediately, and probably shitcanned sooner than later.

That's good to hear but have to say it does not match my personal experiences and the stories of friends I trust.

 

[wct097]

My friend that used to be a LEO says that the profiling thing is BS. When he was working traffic, he'd be looking at stickers, plates, and lights and not know if he were pulling over a white guy or a black guy until he'd already made the decision to pull them. His experience was that people that didn't take care of things on their vehicle (registration, repairs, etc) typically also were likely to be driving on revoked, drunk, wanted, or drug users. Had nothing to do with race and everything to do with the vehicle and the driver.

 

[TacticalFats]

That's good to hear but have to say it does not match my personal experiences and the stories of friends I trust.

Perception and context. Police-citizen encounters are more often than not under less than pleasant circumstances. Even if they're a crime victim, they're mad the cops didn't prevent it, and if they suspect they know who did it, they're mad the cops just don't go kick in their door and drag them to jail based on something they heard.

As far as getting stopped/arrested: Society is now FULL of adults who grew up never getting yelled at by their parents and always getting trophies lack the ability to process someone telling them their wrong.

Black/green/brown/purple guy gets a ticket: Cop is racist

White WASP gets a ticket: Cop has nothing better to do/I'm a taxpayer

Woman gets a ticket: Cop wrote me a ticket because I wouldn't give him the time of day.

Old people: I haven't gotten a ticket in XXX years. Cop picks on poor old ladies

Young people: Cop only picks on kids since he's a pussy/got picked on in HS

Perception and context. I don't like getting pulled over and I'm 99% sure I already know the outcome.

I've lived in this "world" my entire life. I'm now in my early 40's, with a wife, kids, mortgage, etc. I have other shit to entertain me and focus on so my perception and opinions are very different than that of 22 year old Ramjet the Rookie's two decades ago. One thing is the same: People victimize other people (or create the risk of hurting someone else) and they don't give two shits about it; it's never their fault.

My perception of the STL drama is a complete lack of personal responsibility and people in leadership positions supporting that mindset.

 

[TacticalFats]

My friend that used to be a LEO says that the profiling thing is BS. When he was working traffic, he'd be looking at stickers, plates, and lights and not know if he were pulling over a white guy or a black guy until he'd already made the decision to pull them. His experience was that people that didn't take care of things on their vehicle (registration, repairs, etc) typically also were likely to be driving on revoked, drunk, wanted, or drug users. Had nothing to do with race and everything to do with the vehicle and the driver.

This is behavior, not appearance. A shitbox car and a dirty looking person convey a behavior consistent with criminals.

There's poor people out there too, but there's ways to tell them apart.

 

[pirranah]

As a clean white male I have only had good times with cops. I don't see what all the hubbub is about.

 

[hb_hound]

This is behavior, not appearance. A fat out of shape cop with a superiority attitude conveys a behavior consistent with an asshole crooked cop.

There are good cops out there too, but there's ways to tell them apart.

It works both ways

 

[DieselSJ]

As a clean white male I have only had good times with cops. I don't see what all the hubbub is about.

^^This^^

I've been pulled over for a felony stop. I was cuffed and sat on the curb, along with the 2 friends I had in the car. We did not get our asses kicked. In fact, we were released once they realized they had the wrong vehicle. With an apology. And that was LA county sheriff.

 

[TacticalFats]

It works both ways

Hell yes. Fat = lazy and dumb. Jacked and shaved head = SS Stormtrooper.

EDIT: Poor people get stopped alot because of this. As a patrol officer, I rarely wrote them. 20 years later I still get information from these folks, and quietly support what the cops are trying to do out there. I made it a point to impress upon younger guys how this works.

EDIT #2: The way to tell them apart comes from your interaction. Both ways.

 

[pirranah]

^^This^^

I've been pulled over for a felony stop. I was cuffed and sat on the curb, along with the 2 friends I had in the car. We did not get our asses kicked. In fact, we were released once they realized they had the wrong vehicle. With an apology. And that was LA county sheriff.

I led one on a high speed pursuit and was let off with a warning. He searched my truck top to bottom and told me to slow my ass down.

 

[TacticalFats]

I got stopped and ordered out of my unmarked car (a tinted out charger) at gunpoint 3am Friday night after I blew through his campus at 85mph by some really young campus cop. I think pointing a gun at a speeder, even going a legit 50 over the limit, is a bit much absent any other sign of danger.

I ran into a detective from that department yesterday and mentioned it to her; she said she'd say something to him. That's how we fix things on our own.

He had a legit reason to stop me, and I had a legit reason to be driving that fast. I didn't start screaming at him, and he didn't shoot me.

 

[mcatdtJEEP]

That's good to hear but have to say it does not match my personal experiences and the stories of friends I trust.

truth is subjective.... I'm sure they THINK they were racially profiled... and telling you that is their TRUTH.... That doesn't mean they were racially profilled.


They may have been profiled for one of the other many reasons behavior profiles set off red flags with patrolling cops, like TF stated.

 

[mcatdtJEEP]

I got stopped and ordered out of my unmarked car (a tinted out charger) at gunpoint 3am Friday night after I blew through his campus at 85mph by some really young campus cop. I think pointing a gun at a speeder, even going a legit 50 over the limit, is a bit much absent any other sign of danger.

I ran into a detective from that department yesterday and mentioned it to her; she said she'd say something to him. That's how we fix things on our own.

He had a legit reason to stop me, and I had a legit reason to be driving that fast. I didn't start screaming at him, and he didn't shoot me.

amazing how that works

 

[pirranah]

truth is subjective.... I'm sure they THINK they were racially profiled... and telling you that is their TRUTH.... That doesn't mean they were racially profilled.


They may have been profiled for one of the other many reasons behavior profiles set off red flags with patrolling cops, like TF stated.

They all have a race card in their back pocket that they foam at the mouth to pull on people

 

[BirdOPrey5]

truth is subjective.... I'm sure they THINK they were racially profiled... and telling you that is their TRUTH.... That doesn't mean they were racially profilled.


They may have been profiled for one of the other many reasons behavior profiles set off red flags with patrolling cops, like TF stated.

They didn't tell me they were racially profiled... they told me what happened and its obvious they were racially profiled.

Guy stopped by NYPD in Manhattan, nice car, chrome wheels, but he was totally clean. No obvious reason to be stopped.

Cop frisks him, nothing. He empties his pockets, nothing.

Told to sit on the sidewalk, cop goes through his car - without permission...

Nothing in his car...

Cop opens trunk- nothing in trunk but tool box.

Cop opens tool box, finds a folding knife...

Arrests him.

Yes he got out and it was thrown out by a judge but he was arrested and spent the weekend in jail.

 

[TacticalFats]

They didn't tell me they were racially profiled... they told me what happened and its obvious they were racially profiled.

Guy stopped by NYPD in Manhattan, nice car, chrome wheels, but he was totally clean. No obvious reason to be stopped.

Cop frisks him, nothing. He empties his pockets, nothing.

Told to sit on the sidewalk, cop goes through his car - without permission...

Nothing in his car...

Cop opens trunk- nothing in trunk but tool box.

Cop opens tool box, finds a folding knife...

Arrests him.

Yes he got out and it was thrown out by a judge but he was arrested and spent the weekend in jail.

I don't know your friends and you weren't there, but that sounds like either a colossal waste of time on a piss poor stop or there's more to the story.

Around here, nice car/rimz means you have money because you work or your parents buy it for you. The whole drug-dealers-have-nice-things is more Hollywood. Like any other industry, and it's a HUGE industry, there's alot of low-paid worker bees and small operations that don't make much money. And if they do, and they're rolling pimped-out railjobs, they're already on the radar and the way you get those people ain't through car stops.

EDIT: NYC might as well be another planet, anyway. I never understood the stop and frisk thing. WTF; 4th Amendment???

 

[Brock]

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[TacticalFats]

Pointless to try to explain facts to these gun grabbing assholes. Pointless.